its stuff like this that makes me wonder if there really is a God...like dinosaurs and stuff were around millions of years before man walked the earth....caveman that is lol...how come no holy book talks about it.
its like, there are all this tangible proof backing up the big bang theory, i mean like, thing you can actually see and hold in your hand...but the only proof we have with any religion is he said she said, and holy books filled with stories that we have no REAL proof of being authentic.
even with adam and eve, they were supposed to be the first humans ever, yet why do so many museums hold skeletal remains of humans from millions of years ago that look like apes before we apparently evolved.
when religions came about, they didnt know anything about prehistoric stuff and so i question,
'did they really just made up all those religious stories to answer peoples question as to where we came from?'
'if they knew then what we know now, would religion would have even came to exist?'.



im not an atheist, but i know Im not the only person to wonder about this.

Well because dinosaurs existed - and the Holy Books didn't mention it - is it necessary that they do? I mean obviously Holy Books do not contain every literal thing in creation - they are PRIMARILY books of guidance and light before anything else.

We also have to remember the 'evolution theory' is a theory - I mean sure certain aspects of evolution is true, especially survival of the fittest - but about man evolving from an ape-like creature - there is much debate behind that, and there is an argument that there is still not that missing 'link' fossil that connects ape to man.

Having said that, there is an interesting book to read - if you have the time, called "The Bible, The Qur'an and Science" by a French scientist Dr. Maurice Bucaille.

The whole book can be found at: The Bible, The Qur'an and Science

The conclusion is most interesting - comparing the Bible and Quran and their statements in the light of Science.

Also this video is of a debate between Dr. Zakir Naik with Dr. William Campbell on the topic "The Qur'an and the Bible in the light of Science" dated April 1, 2000 in Chicago. This is 1 of 4 parts.

why wouldnt they talk about prehistoric stuff, it seems the books have an answer for everything else.
the creation of man is the first thing you read in these books...so if they are explaning how man was made, and how the earth was made, why wouldnt they talk about the dinosaurs and even the metoerite than destroyed them all?
because then, they had no one way of knowing about them.
if they did, and religion was still created, im sure they would have found a way to put them in there...

im just wondering, doesnt make it right, but i think too much lol.

well dinosaurs is only the term used for the giant animals that existed in those pre-historic ages.

If one was to classify them with all created beasts, the Quran does indeed mention them.

"Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which God Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise. (2:164)"

"He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs. (31:10)"

MissTami, interesting question you got there, it's something I too think about but can't really get an answer that satisfies the inquisitive mind.

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i really hate to say it but deep in me, as much as i try, i dont really think there is a god.
every holy book out there conradicts itself one way or another, or rewords things to look like godly events when in fact they are bound to happen anyway, its all just science.

like the spider thing with Muhammed...they say god send a spider to make a web to cover the cave entrance...but thats before they realized that it only takes 5 -10 seconds for a spider to spin a complete web. (studied that in school).

and likwe who made god? like, something just dont pop up out of nowhere...no matter how high and holy. and when i ask muslims this they get mad, but then again, i read so many books telling us that muhammed knew scientific things (like the embryo looking like a piece of chewed matter)...and its a scientific statement, something just does not pop up out of nowhere.

they say the muhammed was knwoing of all these things because he was a prophet, but the ancient greeks and romans have been doing medical research ages before muhammed even came to be, and how do we know he didnt learn all this from them?

i need to stop thinking too much lol.

if there was a god, wouldn't we be tuned into him up[on birth, just as we are already programmed on how to eat, breathe, reproduce, walk and every other thing we do? dont you think that we would also naturally know who our creator is?
islam says that an embryo has no soul until 3 months...but yet, the heart is beating upon the first 2 weeks and it has already established it on blood sac filled with its own type, not the parents. the heart is the center of ur life, so how can you tell me that its nothing until 3 months? again, religious teachings that were made before man had any way of knowing this.

if there was a God, then I think we would be able to know and see him, and would have been born aware of his existence...there also wouldn't be so many different religions as well. i mean, there are religions out there that have different gods, different prophets, and claim to be the one and only real relgioin yet, a jew can create a baby with a muslim, a muslim can create a baby with a catholic, a hindu can create a baby with a buddist and so on...so if have so many religions claiming their god is the real one, then how is we all have 10 fingers 10 toes, a heart blood, and more? we are made in one exact same image....the inside mechanics are exactly the same....no diferences at all.
so if there is a god, then its the same one because we are all the same.

and if he is so mighty, then why does he have to use man to relay his messages? why he cant come here and do it himself? we all know the saying, have to see it to believe it...so wouldnt it be easier to come and announce your own existence yourself other than trying to get man to believe another man?
also, it says that god knows what we are going to do before we do it....then why make a heaven and a hell? if he knows we are going to for example, rob a bank...then why judge us in the end? why didnt he judge us the moment we were born, since he knew we were gonna do it anyway? why punish us in hell for something that you could have just snapped your fingers and stopped us from doing in the first place? and to think we are put here for a test...whats the point in this? test us for what? take our spirit from heaven, put us into a body down here, and test us to see if we can get back into heaven or not? why not just leave us there to begin with? why have noah build his arc and let rain end the world, if you knew this stuff was gonna happen anyway? why did God act suprised when eve ate the apple? wasnt it written that god knows all things? therefore, he should have known she would eat it. why create them blinde if you know they are gonna mess up and be able to see to begin with? why even put a forbidden tree in the garden in the first place if they cant have it? i mean come on!

im sorry but at least with science, you have answers that you can actually touch.

still, im not an athiest, i just hate it when things dont make sense or fall into place.

we all know that religion isnt even powerful enough to make a man good. many muslims i know, in fact all of them, they spend all year long dickin around and acting naughty, then ramadan come and they are angels for a month, then go back to messing around again for the next 11 months.
same thing in christianity....all religions really.

i normally wouldnt dare speak about this, but it ticks me off to see people dying out there just because of religion....for a god that we really trluy have no idea exists or not. for all we know, this could just have been some thing that a bunch of people sitting around a campfire told in a story one night and it blew up just like an internet rumour...

well obviously there really is only ONE God - and no one can 'create' the Creator the Creator just IS and Always was, it would be illogical for the Creator to be 'created'. And because you cannot see something, it doesn't mean it doesnt exist.

The Qu'ran is a book which tells you - the reader to reflect and ponder upon your surroundings, it does'nt just give it all on a plate - many a times, it says verily this is a book for men who ponder and reflect - it asks you to use your God given intellect.

examples can be :

This is a Book full of Blessings that we have revealed unto you so people ponder upon its verses and men of intellect may reflect. (38:29)

And He who grants life and deals death; and to Him is due the alteration of night and day. Will you not, then, use your reason? (23:80).

(56:68) See ye the water which ye drink?

69. Do ye bring it down (in rain) from the cloud or do We?

70. Were it Our Will, We could make it salt (and unpalatable): then why do ye not give thanks?


From the Islamic perspective everyone is born a 'muslim' - this means everyone is born in a natural state of -Islam- Submission - a muslim being one who submits. And that it is the religions of ones parent's and forefathers who bring them out of it. Which is why some people say they 'revert' to Islam instead of converting.

One point though for all those people who don't believe in God but 'believe in science' - unfortunatley science does not explain WHY we are here - or where we are heading.

And Islam is not 'against' science it does embrace it -Islam has contributed much to the West in many fields of science - and even expanded on the work of the Ancient Greeks which was all but lost to Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein

im not really pinpointing islam...im trying to speak about ALL religions out there....just keeps falling back into islam and christianity because those are the 2 biggest ones we have so far.

but then when i think about, well where did space come from? whats beyind there?
thats when i think there has to be a god.

i know there is man in egypt years ago who actuall ymade himself go crazy trying to figure it out...i think im next loool

Naturally I give a view from Islam as this is what I believe. But I don't see because you wonder what is 'beyond' space that causes you to doubt God's existence. God is beyond the heavens and the earth.

But you did say earlier you are not an athiest, so would u say ur agnostic