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Old 19th August 2008, 17:39
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Unhappy Egypts marriage crisis

Spotlight on Egypt's marriage crisis

By Magdi Abdelhadi
BBC News, Cairo



Ghada Abdelaal with her book Ayza-Tgawwiz
Abdelaal's story started as an online log - now she's working on a sitcom

"I want to get married" is a perfectly normal thing to say for a young Egyptian man. But when a girl says it in such a conservative society - let alone writes a book with that title - she is making a political statement.

"Girls are not supposed to be actively seeking something, a girl simply exists for someone to marry or divorce her," says the author of the top-selling book, Ghada Abdelaal. "To say she wants something is seen as impolite."

The book started as a blog, before it was spotted by an Egyptian publisher and printed as a series of comic sketches in which flawed and failed suitors came knocking at her parents' door.

A paranoid policeman, a hirsute fundamentalist, a pathological liar and other hilarious caricatures are portrayed in sparkling Egyptian vernacular.

Marriage anxiety

The veiled, softly-spoken Abdelaal is a sharp and witty observer of social incongruity in Egypt, a feisty spirit trying to tear up stifling tradition.


They ask young girls here when they are three or four, who would you marry… they implant the idea your only purpose in life is to get married
Ghada Abdelaal

She says her target is not Egyptian men but a tradition known as "gawwaz el-salonat" (living room marriage), where a stranger is brought to the family home and the daughter must decide whether to marry him on the basis of this brief encounter.

"People who go for a picnic need to know each other a little longer than that - let alone make a lifelong commitment," Abdelaal says.

The book's popularity - it is in its third print run with a sitcom in the offing - reflects a widespread anxiety in Egyptian society. More and more young people cannot afford to get married.

Although the book focuses on finding Mr Right, she acknowledges finding an affordable flat remains an almost insurmountable obstacle. Many young people stay engaged for years before they can save up enough money.

"By the time they actually get to live together, they are already tired of each other," says women's rights activist Nihad Abou El Qoumsan. This causes the unusually high rate of divorce among the newlyweds in Egypt, she says.

Such is the impact of property prices on the marriage crisis, a popular talk show has invited engaged couples to join a draw to win a flat.

A new apartment will be given away by a wealthy businessman every day of the fasting and holiday month of Ramadan, in September. Huge numbers have registered.

Sexual frustration

Some describe it as a social time bomb. Religious customs mean there is no sex before marriage. So how do young people react to this situation?


I don't think people who harass women on the street are necessarily single, or necessarily sexually frustrated
Anthropologist Hania Sholkamy

Sociologist Madeeha al-Safty of the American University in Cairo believes one consequence is sexual harassment of women and rape reaching unprecedented levels in Egypt.

"If you are frustrated, there is the possibility that you take it out [through] violence.

"Some people choose the safer way in moving towards a more religious attitude - not necessarily extremism, but it might reach the point of extremism," she adds.

But anthropologist Hania Sholkamy hesitates to link the problems of sexual harassment and rape to the marriage crisis.

"I don't think people who harass women on the street are necessarily single, or necessarily sexually frustrated. There are many millions of people who are extremely frustrated, but they do not harass women.

"I think the issue is one of violence and gender disparities, pure and simple."

Gender disparity is a theme running throughout Abdelaal's book, from the provocative title questioning the women's passive role in a traditional society to the way children are brought up.

"They ask young girls here when they are three or four, who would you marry… they implant the idea your only purpose in life is to get married.

"Even after she goes to school they tell her that a girl's only future is in her husband's home. So what happens when a girl for any reason cannot get married. Should she set fire to herself?"
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Old 21st August 2008, 22:48
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Hello Toshka,

First of all let me welcome you in the forum , it’s really nice to have you here

Concerning the article…

Well….I think the main problem remains with the society we are living in , that we are living a very critical transitional period…. I mean that…..we are living between our traditions and what our parents brought up on and brought us on and the new open world and the everyday changes of the world around………

I think marriage before was so easy , as the writer said girls was brought up on the idea that her future is with a husband ….even boys as long as they became 20 years old parents start to search for a girl to marry regardless to their own aims, it’s the most important……plus society before was so narrow and somehow closed so marriage was so easy …….

In my point of view….the crisis started with the parents themselves ,as they brought up their children -girls especially- with the concept that to build up a life their should be man first no purpose will be more safe than that ,… that is true in some ways… but not the main especially with the change we are living in as an oriental society now girls are somehow open to the world ….. self-determining … her aims changes to other ways and she started to refuse to be captivated to the one main aim to seek a man.

That’s in addition to marriage problems and it’s high cost which is a very efficient reason for all these things marriage became a crisis in Egypt.

now things are widely changed girls have targets in life ,and parents should teach them how to face life , how to be able to be more responsible even in her marital life , how to choose the right man….to choose a partner to share life with , someone with same aims and ideas , a convenient couple as they said ,and I think that also will decrease the high rate of divorce as well.

Plus society has to accept the unmarried women and stop treating her as a discarded person.

Thanks so much toshka for your post
and sorry for writing too much

Regards.
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Old 21st August 2008, 22:53
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dont forget if a guy wants to marry he gota by the sha2a and furnish it too! not with any second-hand stuff either - this plus the high unemployment and low incomes for many - it makes it very hard to marry - the only socially acceptable relationship being a married couple.
You are bound to find a very frustrated male populace.

But then it is by no means a justification for the sexual harrassment you often see and lewd remarks and behaviour - not only in the resorts of the red sea but also in cairo and alex with local girls - both those who wear hijab and even those who do...
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I have talked with few young and some not so young Egyptian men about marriage, and the biggest problem for men trying to get married is having enough money to get a place and them to spend on the wedding, let alone making enough money to live on.

Another thing a lot of men complained about was that the Egyptian women were very demanding of their financial resources.

Is all the financial burden on the man when it comes to weddings?

Is Ghada Abdelaal's book available in English?
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as more as you have you will get better girl in egypt, how much gold you can buy, how big flat you have, what is your edukation,can you pay the wedding dress from france, make the wedding on the best place....etc....it's how l see marriage in egypt.

where is the love?
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That was going to be my question Otta. I find the whole way of arranging marriages to 'suitable' candidates quite sad. On the other hand, engagements don't necessarily end in marriage in Egypt. According to my work colleague they are seen as a way of getting to know the other person and if you decide he/she is not what yu want, there is no stigma attached to breaking it off.
A friend of mine has just got married and I was led through the wedding night. To me it sounds like something from the middle ages and feel sorry for the poor girl on her wedding night.
I think Ghada Abdelaal is a very brave woman to voice her thoughts and opinions in such a way and would love to read her book.
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you know, i think it can get so backwards sometimes...every arab man i met told me that there are more women than men in this world, and its true. i think that if they allowed women to use the voices they were bron with and quit making them believe they are stupid without a man, the econmy over there would get a lot better.

it is scientifically proven that women are not only smarter than men, they use their judgement better and are able to multitask better as well.
arab men dont know how strong their women actually can be, and if they would quit supressing them and taking away choice, the country will always struggle.

make more means of birth control, put women to work and get rid of the dowry and the high priced expectations from a man who wants to get married but cant afford it.
after all, marriage should be about love, not material things, right?
i believe a woman should always help her man, financially and more. marriage is a 2 way street. i think that if they take advantage of the good that come from a strong woman, the divorce rate would go down as well. and if the woman knows that she can care for herself say in the event of divorce or her man dying, the kids will have a better future as well because so many times I have seen young boys have to work to feed their moms, bros and sisters after dad is gone. I think it will keep the men in check as well, as Im sure we all know the infamous roaming eye of the egyptian man lol.....if they know they have a woman at home who can make do without him, he will feel humble by this and stick around more often.
kinda like what i say to my Mohamed when he teases me on leaving, 'hey, you can go, you are the one needing a womans ****, I already have one so, bye then."
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sorry that was a bit of topic heehee

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