Ok - choose not to respond to my original response. You obviously aren't really ready to debate, just to 'troll' and move onto the next unrelated topic. I don't have time for cat and mouse games.

Anyway keep your future posts informative, not preaching

Like I Said Your The One Preaching . Your The One Trying To Change My Post , Because You Can't Deal With The Facts . Trying To Flip The Script Is And Old Trick .

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Where have I preached? cmon be wise here, where have I said christians of the world should be Muslims from my own personal opinion? Not like you saying Muslims are a modern day sect of christianity who should wait for the Messiah to come. Plus I haven't tried to change your posts - I stick to the topic - I dont move onto other points when I get caught out. Flipping the script is exactly what you have been doing - anyone reading your reply posts to mine can see they do not respond to my arguments.

You wont respond to post #5 because you simply can't but thats ok I'm not expecting you to now. Have a nice day.

The Jews during the Prophet Muhammad's time were considered the seed of the Prophet Abraham and possessors of a scriptures called the Torah ( 5 Books of Moses ) and the Books of the Prophets . When the Prophet Muhammad tried to eliminate idolatry , he sought the teaching of the Religion of Abraham . One of the things which stands out was the Prophet Muhammad decision to make Jerusalem his Qiblah ( direction of prayer ) , just like the Jews . The following are stories Written thousands of years before the Qu'aan which are said to have been borrowed from the Torah ; 1 . The story of Cain and Abel The Qur'aan 5 ; 30 - 35 ;...... Targum of Jonathan ben Uzziah 2 . The story of the Prophet Abraham being saved from Nimrod's fire The Qur'aan 2 ; 260 , 6 ; 74 - 84 ;..... Midrash Rabbah 3 . The story of the Prophet Solomon and the Queen of Sheba The Qur'aan 27 ; 17 ..

Passages borrowed from Jewish Scriptures and writings and incorporated into the Qur'aan . The Qur'aan = When we shook the mount over them , as if it had been a canopy '' ( The Qur'aan 7 ; 171 ) . Eat and drink until ye can distinguish a white thread from a black thread by the day - break , then fulfill the fast ( The Qur'an 2 ; 187 ) . The Jewish Scriptures and writings = ''I raised the mount to be a covering over you , as it were a lid '' ( Abodah Sarah ) . The beginning of the day is at the moment when one can distinguish a blue thread from a white thread ( Mishnah Berakhoth ) .

Did the Prophet Muhammad read the Scriptures from before and make these passages and stories part of his teachings ?

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Should Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta ' Ala Be Called God ?

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Any reader of The Qur'aan that is familiar with the old testament , Or the new testament , Discovers that the names and events of the books and prophets have been definitely copied in The Qur'aan . I will now prove that the muslims teaching / language was copied from The Old Testament The Five Books Of Moses , / other cultures that predated them .

Yet . They will argue with anyone and try to convince people that Islam and its scriptures , The Quraan is Authentic . When in fact , I can give you serveral Words and Customs That was taken from from The Old Testament The Five Books Of Moses , / other cultures that predated them . For example , the ceremony of The Circumcision ( Genesis 17;10 ) .

The concept of a holy day called Sabbath ( Genesis 2 ; 2 -3 ) , And called Jum'ah ( Qur'aan , Chapter 62 ) by the muslims . The concept of a Turbaan or Prayer Cap , Which the muslims call a Kuffa , Came from The Jewish Yamala or Yarmulke . The concept of the muslim Kalimat Tawhiyd ( Qur'aan 47;19 ) . Was taken from the jews Shama Yishrael '' Hear Oh Israel '' ( Dueteronmoy 6 ; 4 and 4 ; 35 ) .

Where they took their Kalimat , Laa Ilaaha Illa Allah ( Qur'aan 47 ; 19 ) . And this was carried over to Christianity ( Mark 12 ; 29 ) . And that's where muslims borrowed it from . The took the concept of Fasting from the jews ( Nehemiah 9 ; 1 ) , The concept of Alms Giving ( Qur'aan 4 ; 162 ) , Their concept of making Hajj ( Ezra 3 ; 4 , 6 ; 22 ) .

What most muslims don't even know is that their whole concept of The Pilgrimage to their holy temple , A Cube shaped building ( Ka'aba ) in Mecca , Which they call The Hajj , And the person who completes The Pilgrimage is called A Hajji , Is a word duplicated from the name of Prophet Haggai and the festive Khag or Hag ( Exodus 12 ; 14 ) ,

This is when the children of Israel in The Book Of Ezra made a pilgrimage out of babylonian captivity , To return to the holy land back to the Temple of Solomon , The Holy of Holies , The most sacred building on earth to them . It's the exact same story , Even the same titles ; The took the concept of wearing The Ihraam from the jews ,

Who took it from The Ancient Egyptian practice of Priest of Amun-Ra , The concept of the story of Nimrod ( Qur'aan 2 ; 258 ) Was copied from The Jewish Narrative of The Mishnah from the Midrash Rabba Chapter 17 , The concept of wearing The Face Veil , Khimaar ( Genesis 24 ; 65 ) And wearing sweet smelling Oils Qituwrah meaning '' Sweet Fragrance

'' From Qehtoret And burning incense ( Exodus 30 ; 7 , 23 , 34 ) ; And they also took words like Sawkar meaning '' Strong Drink '' From the hebrews , And changed it to Sakhtaan meaning Drink '' The House 'Bayt of lord ( Qur'aan 106 ; 3 ) , Taken from hebrew Beth , The word Rabb, Meaning '' Master or Sustainer '' From Rabb , The word Jannah , From the aramic / hebrew Gan ,

The word Sama'a or Samaawaati , From aramic / hebrew '' Shamayim '' Meaning The Skies , '' The word Ard . Taken from the Aramic / Hebrew Ehrets , Meaning The Earth , Land , '' Baad , From The aramic / hebrew Bawb , Meaning '' Door , Aba , From the aramic / hebrew word Ab , Meaning Father, '' Malak , From the aramic / hebrew Melek , Meaning '' King or Ruler ,

'' Yad From the aramic / hebrew word Yawd , Meaning '' Hand '' , Amiyn , Amen , '' Mu'minun , Mu'minaati , El Mu'min Etc , One of Allahs attributes ( 6th ) was taken from the aramic / hebrew Awmane , Meaning '' To Have Faith , '' El Bariyu , The 12th Attribute , Meaning '' The Fashioner '' From the aramic / hebrew

'' Bara , Meaning '' To Replenish '' Al Musawwiru , The Fashioner , From the aramic / hebrew Tsawr Meaning '' To Make '' All of the Attributes of arabic was stolen from hebrew , Including Salaam , Islaam , Muslim All came from the Aramic / Hebrew word Shalom meaning '' Peace ,

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This post is making rediculous claims to say the least, you say the language of the Muslims is copied from the OT - this is insane because the Arabic language was in use prior to the revelation of the Quran to Muhammad.

Are you serious in this post? OF COURSE there will be similar sounding words in Aramaic, Syriac, Hebrew and Arabic - they are all from the same family - they are all SEMITIC languages. Arabic isn't exclusivley the Muslim's language either - what about Arab Jews - like Yemenite Jews and Arab Christians - like Coptic or Maronite??? It is like saying Spanish or Portugese or Italian 'copied' Latin - yet they are RELATED languages. There are so many related words like lail - meaning night or beit/bayt meaning house or beni/bani meaning children. I suppose the 'Muslims' copied the Hebrew Alphabet too according to you? even though Arabic Poetry was being composed a long time before the Quran was revealed.

The skull cap is a cultural thing -are you that surprised that the ancient hebrews and arabs dressed similar?? look at today's Khaleeji Arabs who still dress in bedouin clothing - which is still simlar to the clothes you see in Nativity plays that take place every chrismas with shepards wearing such clothing.

As for circumcision - what you are missing out is that Ishmael who was the father to the Arabs was also circumcised according to the BIBLE Genesis 17:25 - The arabs inherited this tradition - Arabs were pracitsing circumsicion before Muhammad had the revelation.

And why bother even single Muslims out for having a congregational service day? I didn't see you mention Sunday for Christians.

As I said a very biased and rediculous post that really should be deleted. I really don't know why I haven't banned you yet from this site, I should be more ruthless I think....

Fear Of The Truth Is Something Isn't , Unlike You I Am Not Asking Anyone To Accept What I'm Posting , The Title Of The Post Says Check It Out , Not You Must Believe , The Only Reson You Would deleted The About Post Is Because It Showing Where Muslims Got Some Of Their Teaching From ... And You Weren't Able To Change / Dance Away From The Truth This Time So Now Your Threating To Banned Me Now, Because You Can't Deal With The Fact's ... You Have To Be Fooling Your Self If You Think No One Going To Question The Teaching If Islam , Or Any Other Religion For That Matter , You Speak Of Language Yes !

Ques ; What Does The Word Language Means ?
Ans ;The '' Language '' In Aramic ( Hebrew ) Is '' Saphah , And In Ashuric / Syriac
( Arabic ) It Is '' Lughah '' The Word '' Language '' Which Means '' Tongue '' Speech , Language '' The Spelling ( With '' U '' ) Is DueTo The Influence Of The French Word '' Langue '' , Meaning '' Tongue ; Language '' It Also Comes From The Greek Word '' Dialektos '' Meaning '' Dialect , Language , Tongue '' As Found In The Books Acts 61 , A.D. < Acts 2 ; 6 ;.. Now When This Was Noised Abroad The Multitude Came Together , And Were Confounded Because That EveryMan Heard Them Speak In His Own Language ;


Ques ; What Does TheWord Tongue Mean ?
Ans ; The Word '' Tongue '' In Aramic ( Hebrew ) Is '' Lashown '' And In Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) It Is '' Lisaan '' Tongue Comes From The Old English Word '' Tunge , Tonge '' Which Means ''Speech '' It Is Also Derived From The Greek Word '' Glossa '' Meaning '' Tongue , Or Impl . A Language '' Refer To Revelation 10 ; 11 ... The Word '' Tongue '' Taken From The '' Hans Wehr Arabic / English Dictionary < Tongue / Language >
Tongue - Latin - Lingua ;

1 ) A Fleshy Moveable Process Of The Floor Of The Mouth ...
2 ) The Flesh Of The Tongue
3 ) The Power Of Communication Through Utterance
The Yashua Isa Jesus , Christ Revelation 96 A.D. < Revelation 10 ; 11;... And He Said Unto Me Thou Must Prophesy Again Before Many Peoples , And Nations And Tongues And Kings It Is A Scientific Fact That Archeologists Have Found Tablets Dated Thousands Of Years Before Your Actual Adam A Name Merely Meaning Of The '' Dark Brownish Red Ground '' And Eve < Hawwah > Which Means '' Life Or Living '' The Earliest Known Documents In Cuneiform Were Recorded In Sumerian ,

The Language Of The Inhabitants Of Southern Mesopotamia And Chaidea . These Document Were Tablets Known As . The Atra - Hasis , The Enuma Elish , And The Gilgamesh Epics Tablets Of The Descent Of Ishtar To The Underworld , Tablets Of Nergal And Arishkegal Tablets Of Adapa . Tablets Of Etana , The Akkadian Tablets And Many More Cuneiform Was Used As A Script As Well As A Spoken Language By The Eloheem , And Later From This Language Came The Languages .Cuneiform ;


Aramic ( Hebrew ) Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) . The Enuma Elish '' Means '' When On High '' The Enuma Elish , Which Is The Babylonian Story Of Creation , Is Named After The First Two Words Of The Narrative Of The Babylonian Book , ''Enuchus '' These Tablets Were Recorded Way Before Aramic / Phoenician / Hebrew Or Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) Even Existed . The Ashuric Language Spelled Asshur Stemmed From Asshur , A Son Of Shem Who Was The Son Of Noah , Just Like Aram ( Genesis 10 ; 21 - 23 )
Genesis 10 ; 21 - 23 ;... Sons were also born to Shem, whose older brother was Japheth; Shem was the ancestor of all the sons of Eber. 22 The sons of Shem:
Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram. 23 The sons of Aram;...
Aramic / Phoenician ( Hebrew ) <> Genesis 10 ; 22 ;...The sons of Shem: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram .

Asshuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) <> Genesis 10 ; 22 ;..The sons of Shem: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram ;... < Asshur Son Of Shem And Faatin > < Aram Son Of Shem And Faatin > Aramic Comes From A Man Named Aram The 5Th Son Of Shem As Mentioned In Genesis 10 ; 22 . Aramic ( Hebrew ) Was The Language Of The Aramaeans , The Descendant Of Aram .


Ancestral Lineage Of Aram
Aram Son Of Genesis 10 ; 22 ;... The sons of Shem: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram.
Shem Son Of Genesis 5 ; 22 ;... After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth.
Noah Son Of Genesis 5 ; 22 ;... After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth.
Lamech Son Of Genesis 5 ; 28 - 29 ;...When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah and said, "He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the LORD has cursed.
Methusael Son Of Genesis 5 ; 25 ;...When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech.
Emoch Son Of Genesis 5 ; 21 ;...When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah ;.


Jared Son Of Genesis 5 ; 18 ;...When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch
Mahalaleel Son Of Genesis 5 ; 15 ;...When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared.
Kenan Son Of Genesis 5 ; 12 ;...When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel
Enosh Son Of Genesis 5 ;9 ;...When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan.
Seth Son Of Genesis 5; 6 ;...When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father of Enosh.
Adam Son Of Genesis 5 ; 3 ;... When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth
The County Aram Settled In Was Then Called Aram '' Number 23 ; 7 ;.ThenBalaam uttered his oracle: "Balak brought me from Aram,


The Fact The Language Was Named After Aram Himself , Proves That He Was A Leader , A Chief , Or A Mighty Man In His Tribe . When A Dialect Evolved . It Usally Was Named After The Most Powerful , Or OutStanding Member Of The Tribe , Or Clan ; In This It Was Aram . The Name Of The County Of Aram Appears In The Hebrew Scripture Psalm 60 ; 1 ;... Hear my cry, O God; listen to my prayer .
As Aramnaharaim Meaning '' Aram Of The Two Rivers'' It Was Called This Because It Was Located Between The Tigris ( Idiglat ) And Euphrates ( Firattu )
And Euphrates ( Firattu ) Rivers . WhereThe Atumiy ( Watusies ) Lived Aram Was Also Called Padan , Or Paddan - Aram Genesis 28 ; 2 ;..Go at once to Paddan Aram, to the house of your mother's father Bethuel. Take a wife for yourself there, from among the daughters of Laban, your mother's brother.


Meaning '' The Plain ( Flatlands ) Of Aram In Genesis 25 ; 20 ;...and Isaac was forty years old when he married Rebekah daughter of Bethuel the Aramean from Paddan Aram and sister of Laban the Aramean. .... And Comes From The Word Paddan Which Means '' A Plateau '' In The Aramic ( Hebrew ) . It Appears In The Feminine Form As Padana Which Means '' A Plateau '' . All Of The Syrians Are Arameans , Meaning '' The People Are Called Aramaeans '' And They Are Also The Assyrian Nation . But Speaking A Different Dialect . Don't Confuse The Aramaeans, Or Syrians Of The Past With The People Who Reside In These Areas Called Iraq And Syria Today , The Aramic ( Hebrew ) Language Evolved Into Different Dialect And Is Labeled As Ancient . Offical Middle , Late Eastem And Modern Aramic ( Hebrew ) . However , Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) Was A Late Dialect Of Aramic ( Hebrew ) Written In Number Of Flowing Scripts .


You Might Ask Is Aramic ( Hebrew ) And Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) The Same Language ? What Is Called The Aramic ( Hebrew ) Tongue Is Translated As The Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) Tongue , And Because These Language Were The Most Ancient And They Sounded Similar , They Were Somtimes Thought To Be The Same Language . You Can See That The Language Aramic ( Hebrew ) And Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) Came From Accardian Also Spelled Akkadian , One Of The Language Of Sumer Was Also A Form Of Cuneiform In The Aramic ( Hebrew )Accad In The Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) Accadi Comes From Genesis 10 ; 10 ;....The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Erech, Akkad and Calneh, in Shinar


The Accadian ( Akkadian ) Language , Written In Cuneiform Was A Semitic Tongue Related To Hebrew , Arabic , And Aramic The Oldest Accadian ( Akkadian ) Cuneiform Inscriptions Date From The Old Accadian Or Early Accadian Period During The Inscription Of The Great Ruler Sargon ( 2334 - 2279 B.C.E. ) ...
Isaiah 20 ; 11 ;....
Of Accad . The Excerpts From The Bible Were Extracted From These Tablets Which Help To Prove That The Bible Wasn't Divinely Sent By Some All Poweful Loving Deity Who Lives Up In Heaven .Also The Torah Couldn't Originally Have Been Recorded In Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) Or Aramic ( Hebrew ) If The First Time The Language Were Mentioned Were In Genesis 10 ; 22 ;...
The Gilgamesh Epic Pre - Date The Bible The Gilgamesh Epic . Is Considered One Of The Greatest Stories Of The Accadiah Language . Gilgamesh , Is Said To Be The Fifth King Of URUK ( Around 2600 B,C.E. ) A City In Mesopotamia In Genesis 10 ; 10 ;....


As ERECH ( URUK ) The Tablets Themselves Are Not Named . Just The Story On The Tablets EPIC Means '' Stories Or Fables '' Theologians Call These Writeings '' The Gilgamesh Epics '' Which Is Really The Muniyr Tablets Or Tablets Of Light , Also Know As The illumination Tablets , Because It Focuses On A King Whose Name Was GILGAMESH ( IZ DUBAR ) . The Name GILGAMESH Is From Cuneiform Or Chaldean . The Great Ruler Of The Two Rivers Tigris ( Idgiat ) And Euphrates
( Furattau ) Who Was 2/3 Eloheem And1/3 Human , They Also Give More Accurate Accounts Of These Events Concerning The Creation , Thus , The Story On The Tablets Of Gilgamesh , Parallels With The Story Of NOAH And The Flood NOAH'S Real Name Was UTNAFISHTIM And He Was Also Called ZIU SUDRA And KUMARBI . In Aramic ( Hebrew ) The Name NO - AKH Means '' To Rest Down Upon Genesis 8; 4 ;...
Describing What The Ark Itself Did , And If You Read It In The Original Language . It Tells You That It Not Only Floated . But It Also Flew , Or Lifted Up Off Of The Water .


The Word Is NAW - SAW '' To Lift , Bear Up. Lift Up '' When It Landed , And Not The Person NOAH , But A Craft So How Could That Be His Name Before This Yahuwa Genesis 7 ; 9 ;.....
Called Him At The Age Of 600 In Genesis 7; 6 ;...
To Build A Tay - Baw '' Ark Or Craft , Or A Vessel '' In Genesis 6;14 ;...
Another Epic Wrtten In CUNEIFORM SCRIPT Is Called , The ENUMA ELISH Which Is The Babylonian Creation Epic , The Story Has Similarities To The Biblical Story Of Creation


If You Took Time And Done Some Real Research , Maybe You'll Have A Better Overstand Of Things . ( You Not Ready Discuss Anything )

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Interesting thread...

But please note (not pointing to anyone in particular) Whilst I welcome posts that inform us about what the poster thinks, feels, believes etc. as long as it doesn't not turn into debates about who is right and who is wrong or if one set of beliefs is better than others.

As far as I'm concerned each to their own, everyone should be free to follow whatever path they choose, so there is no need to preach to anyone, just say what you feel (within bounds of decency and laws etc.)

There is no right or wrong religion in my eyes, I have my faith and I don't feel the need to ram it down anyone's throat and at the same time do not care for anyone else doing that to me either.

So in summary, please lets share knowledge and information and let the reader decide how to interpret it. But please don't get heavy with political or religious discussions, I get bored quickly when both of these subjects get discussed, as inevitably things get heated up quickly.

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