Originally Posted by Ronin

Nation of Islam are not even a muthab within Orthodox Islam- and you know this very well. They even believed Elijah Muhammad was the incarnation of God - that hardly has any basis in Quran or Hadith. I don't even see why you bring them up in comparison to Christians. They are a minority even amongst the African American Muslim community. As for the Black Stone it was said to be the only original peice of the original Kabah that Abraham and Ishmael were said to have built. That is all.



You really must be careful how you use words here, because although they hold Muhammad in high esteem - even referring to him as Habibullah and Al Mustafa- where in the Qu'ran (And you often quote from this text so I don't see why you can't quote from it for this supposed allegation) does it say to worship Muhammad - or any man for that matter? Does the Quran say Muhammad created the Heavens and the Earth? Does the Quran say Alhamdu-Muhammad? Of course not. Do Muslims prostrate to Muhammad? Not even an Image of Muhammad is permitted in Islam.



Sounds like another story/assumption again. Excuse me for asking, but WHAT Islamic source are you quoting from when you say Muslims name their religion after him?? If you know your history, you would know the name (Muhammadan) actually developed from EUROPE by the Christians (Most likely the Byzantines) but was used primarily as a derogatory name by the Crusaders. You need to research this area a bit deeper.



And where are you quoting from when you assume this?



This isn't even exclusive to Muhammad - if you have heard of Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey - it contains many relics even reported to have belonged to older prophets - as well as relics belonging to many prominent Sahabah (Companions of the Prophet) e.g the Swords of Omar and Ali and Khalid ibn Waleed. It doesn't mean they worship them to display priceless relics.



Out of respect, yes and indeed such an occurance happens with the graves of many of the older prophets - E.g the Masjid which holds the resting place of Abraham in Khalil (Hebron), the grave of Hud said to be in Yemen, or the grave of Yunus (Jonah) said to be in Mosul, Iraq, or the grave of Ayyub (Job) said to be in Oman- many Muslims also visit Jabal Musa in the Sinai - Even visiting the Prophet's grave is not part of the Hajj (Which is based in Makkah) it is only customary not obligatory. There is no prostrating to any of the prophets graves either or praying TO them.



For your information the texts you are mentioning comprise of Sunnah and are called Ahadith - even though they contribute to the basis of Islamic theology- they are not the primary source- which is the Word of Allah - Al Quran. Muhammad is the most well-documented religious figure in history, which is why there is no need for images and statues, the hadith tell us all we need to know about his life and words and deeds. Muslims even have the family tree of the Prophet which can be drawn back to Abraham.



I don't even know why this is in the list - because you are mistakenly putting it under ISLAM the religion - when in fact the religion itself does not condone this - rather a segment of Muslims do this. There is a difference between what some Muslims may do and what Islam itself says to do. You shoud know better than this that in Islam the only 2 festivals are the 2 Eids. What you are talking about is what a minority of Muslims do - not representative of the majority. And the Saudi Arabia you speak of are one of the countries which strictly are against celebrating the Prophet's birthday as an Islamic festival.






As mentioned earlier - based on the Jewish Encyclopedia and Britannica- Hebrew was a general term for a people who settled on the other side of the river jordan.

And Abraham was not the first prophet either- Now if Islam is said to be the same religion as the previous prophets- this would start with ADAM, and NOAH - and his decendants - all who precede Abrahams progeny. So you are wrong when you say "those before him who were all Hebrew"

Following the basic beliefs of the religion of Abraham - such as One God - No Partners - doesn't equate you to being 'one who crossed over' - it was a term used by 'others' from different lands- Don't forget Abraham was CHALDEAN, which explains him being one who crossed over. So most likley it was used to refer to Abraham by people foreign to him. Would that make Moses, Jesus and Muhammad also Chaldean in your view too?

Originally Posted by AmenRaEl

I Told You From The Door Politics And Religion Don't Mix Didn't I , But No You Had To Push , Now That You Got What You Ask For Your Crying Foul , I Also Told You Don't Know Anything About Your Own Belief's , Unlike You I'm Not Asking Anyone To Accept / Believe What I'm Posting , All I Ask That The Reader Do Their Own Reseacrh And Judge For Themself .

Originally Posted by AmenRaEl

According To Islam Anyone Who Takes Their Shahaadan Can Become A Muslim
. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad Never Claim To Be God / Allah , No Where In Their Teaching Does He Says He Allah / God . I Also Told You About Sect-ISM In Religion Did I , N.O.I . Is Part Of The Sect-ism That You Claim Ok

Originally Posted by AmenRaEl

You Problem Is You Try To Speak On Things You Have No Knowldge Of . In Order To Speak On Any Religion You Must Have Some Knowldge Of Religion , Threating / Insulting / Calling People Names Doesn't Get It , Playing This Game My Prophet / God Is Better Then Your God / Prophet . Is Sillyness And That Because Every Religion Feel The Same Way You Do .

Originally Posted by AmenRaEl

Religion Breeds
Racism
Hatred
Separation
Ignorance
Wars
Jealousy
JudgeMetal =My God Is Better Then Your God

Originally Posted by Ronin

You don't even know what you are talking about - what politics?
When Have I told you, you must be Muslim? Show me.
You are not asking the reader to do ANY research you just post things as if they are FACTS- as if you have first-hand knowledge of events which you obviously were not present - e.g this theory of Khadijah and Waraqah - it just makes you look ignorant that you post this expecting people to 'reasearch' - LOL research what research? When the ONLY historical evidence of Khaijah and Waraqhs very existence is Hadith. Your claims are just pointless otherwise.



It isn't just that simple alone - one must understand the meaning of TAHWEED and what it entails - you don't just say it on your heart you have to believe it in ur heart. And with regards to Elijah Muhammad, I was mistaken with the founder W F Muhammad who claimed to be God incarnate and of whome Elijah started preaching, Read:

The original Nation of Islam was founded in the United States of America in 1930 by Wallace Fard Muhammad (1877- 1934?). One of Fard's first disciples was Elijah Poole, whose name Fard later changed to Elijah Muhammad (1897-1975). Elijah Muhammad began preaching that W.F. Muhammad was literally God in person.

Also what negates their claim from orthodox Islamic beliefs is that they truly believe the Black race is superior and that the white race were created by a scientist named 'Yaqoob'.
Yet Islam says all races are equal. They are thus a sect and not a school of thought and definatley are not of the orthodox islamic beliefs in certain areas.





From what I have seen in your posts you really do not understand Islam at all - anyone with an ounce of knowledge would know Muslims are not told to worship Muhammad - would also know that Jesus is not called Allah in the Quran, would know that there is a difference between a 'sect' and 'school of thought' and you have lacked on all these things among other claims of yours.

And don't assume things - quote me where I said my prophet/God is better than your God - otherwise don't speak what you have no knowledge of. And correct me if I am wrong but you said it yourself every religion feel the same way? That explains your bigotted attitude when you said all 3 religions copied from Ancient Egyptian religion and that EVERYTHING that has been thought of has been on the stones and walls of the Ancient Egyptians. If anything you are describing YOURSELF. But as I said their civilisation was not the oldest - but the Mespotanians - so why not go follow their religion if you are basing on how old a religion is in relation to being the Truth.



What an absurd thing to be told - there are several factors that can contribute to these things not just misinterpretation of religion - wars can be fought for land, resources, power, money, women, status - u name it. That is just an excuse to blame it all soley on religion.

Originally Posted by AmenRaEl

You Sound Up Set LOLOLOLOLOL Poor Thing Your Lock In Zone And You Can't
See Your Belief's Are Being Unmask Because You Wont Behave Yourself . But Hey A Hard Head Make A Soft .....
Like I Said The Honorable Elijah Muhammad Never Claim To Be Allah / God . Bottom Line . I Should Test You And See If You Really Know The N.O.I. Teaching . Then You Really Be Crying .

Originally Posted by Ronin

LOL save yourself the copy/paste job

The answer to the 3 questions based on THEIR answers - in their exact wording are as follows:


1. The original man is the Asiatic Black man; the Maker; the Owner; the
Cream of the planet Earth - Father of Civilization, God of the
Universe.
2. The Colored man is the Caucasian (white man). Or, Yacub's grafted
Devil - the Skunk of the planet Earth.
3. The population of the Original nation in the wilderness of North
America is 17,000,000.

With the 2,000,000 Indians makes it - 19,000,000.
All over the planet Earth is 4,400,000,000.

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What this has to do with the fact that they believe Fard Muhammad to be the Incarnation of Allah and that the white race is the Devil race created by a Yakub - and the fact that this contradicts basic tenets of ISLAM really does baffle me

What is your point in even asking these questions Mr Ancient Egyptian Mythologist Nation of Islam Propogator ?

Originally Posted by AmenRaEl

The point is when I told you that the different Sect Of Muslims Have Their Own School Of Thought , You Just Made My Point Duhhhh , And You Think You School Of Though Is The Right One , Meaning YOUR School Of Though Is The Right And All Other Are Wrong , < I Set You Up To Prove My Point > I also Told You I Would Give You The Right Answer To The I Question I Gave You . LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL